I am not going to comment on the accuracy of the Biblical version of Creation (it could be real, but it may not be too), but I do believe in God either way. The creation story could be an attempt to explain were it all came from, especially because there are two different creation stories. No one was there to figure out what God did until the sixth day anyhow. Plus, you can't really have light without the sun and stars (created on the fourth day I believe), nor can you count a day without the sun, The writer of Genesis knew these 2 stories conflicted, but he included both. I think most likely they were a collection of stories handed down over many generations, but that does not mean that there is no God. Remember that the Torah was written roughly 8,000 years after the Garden of Eden, so that is a lot of time to not have a written text. Also

When we talk about the Bible being inerrant, I think it refers to morally inerrant which it seems to be. The early hebrews believed in a true netherworlds being under the ground, a physical firmament in the sky, and waters being contained like an ocean above them. The world was flat. Chances are Jesus believed this too, after all he was both divine and mortal, and though he understood God's will, I doubt that he was born with all perfect knowledge. It does not take away from who he is or what he did for us. Likewise, It's okay for the Bible to be not scientifically accurate, it does not take away from it's message. We never read the Bible as a science book.

there are roughly 10^82 discreet particles in the universe, made of up discreet quanta of energy in each. Bottom line, a finite amount of material in a finite universe. There is an finite amount of space in universe as well, and there is finite amount of time. You cannot have one finite dimension interconnected with an infinite one, so there is no way for time to be infinite. If time had a start, something had to start it. Something does not come from nothing, and it is unreasonable to believe that. Because of the laws of thermodynamics, we can also look at entropy. Entropy (or what we think of as disorder) always increases over time in a system, so everything moves from highly ordered to highly chaotic, and it cannot return to it's original state. Something has to wind it up. The only way you can get rid of God is by declaring the universe and everything inside it infinite, and as far as science as we know it is concerned, you can not.

dont know really am not all knowing so couldnt tell any one what to believe

NeoShade-Medic wrote:you guys are dumb, captain falcon made humans, DUH!!!!

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for every action there is a equal and opposite action.(credit for this goes to redwing)
now from this we see the evo has nothing that started it and same with da BANG
creation of the world = universe
God made man then he made women
etc
it was all part of his plan but there still is an action and an opposite action


to BRIM
Chirst was born prefect with no defects and he was also God. So he had the knowledge of God but the physical attribues of an human

kry|over wrote:for every action there is a equal and opposite action.(credit for this goes to redwing)
now from this we see the evo has nothing that started it and same with da BANG
creation of the world = universe
God made man then he made women
etc
it was all part of his plan but there still is an action and an opposite action


to BRIM
Christ was born prefect with no defects and he was also God. So he had the knowledge of God but the physical attributes of an human

Well he could access the omniscient aspect of God, but didn't always. His death is important because he went through the same as we do, as a human. Which shows his love for us which is unmeasurable.

Stupidity is a defect, ignorance is not. I can safely bet Christ did not know calculus and the periodic table, string theory, exactly how many stars are in the sky, and did not come out of Mary speaking 17 languages in perfect dialect. He was human too. Jesus probably cried as a baby, and likely gave Mary and Joseph fits as any kid would. These are not sins, they do not displease God, they are simply a part of life. I do think that he knew morality and God's Will from day 1, but that is more like wisdom, whereas physics is just knowledge, which is earned and gained over time as opposed to something that you were born with. Don't forget that he studied the Torah and scriptures too. That means that he was not born with perfect knowledge. Jesus, to me, was the divine spirit of God inside a completely mortal body, which is why He was the perfect sacrifice. Your spirit is what mainly gives you morality, your brain is what recalls knowledge. There are many great Christians that are book-smarts dumb. There is nothing wrong with that, and it does not take away from their spirituality.

To yall argueing about Jesus, did He really need to know those things? like for example Brim said Calc...i dont think Jesus needed any derivatives. And like tainted said Jesus had a lot of knowledge but i think it is limited. Often times he just did tap into it. As humans our knowledge gas its limits and Jesus could be the same in His human form. We simply can not handle it. Also the Bible says only God knows the time of Christ's return so there is evidence that Jesus does not know everything. That is the only exception that i know of.

here comes me again to throw some chaos around

http://video.google.com.br/videoplay?do ... ent=opera#

watch part one, if you guys watch part 2 and 3 you gonna be pissed
and skip to 8:50 in the start bc its a lot stalling there
and like the videos says you have to keep you mind open, or else dont even watch it

I agree 100% with you Valk,

and that was the main point I was trying to make. Jesus did not need to know all the specifics, it doesn't make a difference, and neither did the early Hebrews. If the creation story did not happen exactly as Genesis has it, it does not take away from the fact that God made the world and universe. It just means that the early people had limited knowledge and that was their way of attributing it and giving credit to God. All that stuff happened before people were around, so unless God specifically laid it all out for someone in a very long dinner conversation, I think the very early stories in the Bible may have been conjecture and were explanation stories. We know more about and have evidence of the existence of Abraham and everyone past that point.

FYI, I do not believe in Macro-evolution either. There is evidence of micro-evolution, which is one of the reasons I believe in a creator since nature doesn't normally become more organized, but until there is some really solid evidence on macro-evolution, then it is much like a religion, and you either believe in it or you don't. I don't know exactly where humans came from, but I am not going to support a conjecture that is no more proven than Biblical creation. If they can prove it eventually, then fine, but they will need to offer substantive proof.

Mpatriot,

I am open, and believe in conversation. I state my views, but I am always willing to listen. The only reason I would be pissed with that youtube video is that it is 2 hours long and the dude talks really slowly. I will have to wait until I have more time to go through it.